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Are there any downsides to Singapore? I've heard the food is great. Obviously it's clean and exceptionally well-run. I don't care about bullshit political "rights." The only bad things I've heard are that it's boring and that it's hard for Westerners to adapt to the heat and humidity outside and the ice cold air conditioned in all the buildings.
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Oh, I also heard the women are homely.
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. said:Are there any downsides to Singapore? I've heard the food is great. Obviously it's clean and exceptionally well-run. I don't care about bullshit political "rights." The only bad things I've heard are that it's boring and that it's hard for Westerners to adapt to the heat and humidity outside and the ice cold air conditioned in all the buildings.



The heat & humidity is bad (90F every day). But it's stable, so it never gets much hotter than that. In fact the record high in Singapore is 96F.

The laws are super-strict. Death penalty for drug dealers. If you do any littering, vandalism, or violence, the punishment is going to be harsh. If you're the type who likes to get drunk, and get wild & crazy, Singapore is not the place for you.

Porn is also technically illegal, but it's only enforced if you're walking around in public with a porno mag. It's perfectly legal to surf for porn, although a handful of porn sites are blocked.

Owning a car is ridiculously expensive, because of taxes & surcharges. Only 10% of Singaporeans own a car. Fortunately, mass transit covers the whole island.

Rents in the downtown/central areas are really expensive. More expensive than Manhattan. If you want reasonable rents, you'll probably have to live outside of the downtown/central area.

KM doesn't like the fact that employers can hire/fire at will, for any reason at all. I personaly don't mind. That's capitalism.
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. said:The heat & humidity is bad (90F every day). But it's stable, so it never gets much hotter than that. In fact the record high in Singapore is 96F.

The laws are super-strict. Death penalty for drug dealers. If you do any littering, vandalism, or violence, the punishment is going to be harsh. If you're the type who likes to get drunk, and get wild & crazy, Singapore is not the place for you.

Porn is also technically illegal, but it's only enforced if you're walking around in public with a porno mag. It's perfectly legal to surf for porn, although a handful of porn sites are blocked.

Owning a car is ridiculously expensive, because of taxes & surcharges. Only 10% of Singaporeans own a car. Fortunately, mass transit covers the whole island.

Rents in the downtown/central areas are really expensive. More expensive than Manhattan. If you want reasonable rents, you'll probably have to live outside of the downtown/central area.



I don't drink and I hate alcohol and the whole culture that surrounds it. Are you telling me that Singapore is alcohol-free utopia I've been dreaming of my entire life?
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. said:Are there any downsides to Singapore? I've heard the food is great. Obviously it's clean and exceptionally well-run. I don't care about bullshit political "rights." The only bad things I've heard are that it's boring and that it's hard for Westerners to adapt to the heat and humidity outside and the ice cold air conditioned in all the buildings.



I was there for a week. Like you say, the heat and humidity are #1. It's there 24/7 - step out of an ACed building and it's like you walked into a wall. By the time I left I was regularly ducking into malls and business along the street I was walking on, just to get the AC.

It's crowded. Lots of people out walking and jabbering in Asian or Indian, though I was never pushed or had my pocket picked or anything. Going to the malls on the weekdays is okay, but forget about weekends. There were a lot of cars on the road but I witnessed to traffic jams. There were signs advertising parking spaces, hundreds of them, in various garages.

The food is alien. Unless you love Chinese/Indian/etc food, you'll get homesick quickly just from not being able to eat anything you're used to. Go to Starbucks and they serve pastries with curry in them, for instance. I found one or two American restaurants (i.e. scrambled eggs, hash browns, and toast for breakfast) and they were of middling quality and very expensive. That said, the grocery store I went to had plenty of things that I could have used to fix food that I'm used to, if I'd had a kitchen.

But you certainly won't regret going there to check the place out, even if you don't end up wanting to live there.
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Rents in the downtown/central areas are really expensive. More expensive than Manhattan. If you want reasonable rents, you'll probably have to live outside of the downtown/central area.



No shit. I bid $6000 SGD for a new 1100 ft 2 bedroom in Robertson Quay and got laughed out of the room.

So much for tax arbitrage, you pay it all back in rent. My life is going to be more expensive here than it was in Tokyo.
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. said:I don't drink and I hate alcohol and the whole culture that surrounds it. Are you telling me that Singapore is alcohol-free utopia I've been dreaming of my entire life?



It's not alcohol-free. If you go to any bar or club, they serve alcohol, and people are drinking alcohol.

However, Singaporeans tend to be really responsible drinkers.

I've lived & worked in cities all over the world. In places like Tokyo, NYC, London, Paris, Rio, etc you'll see plenty of drunk people at night, and some people throwing up or passing out in the streets. I never saw any of that in Singapore.
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. said:Oh, I also heard the women are homely.



I saw a few Asian hotties there, but yeah it's not the stuff of an Asian porn site. There are tons and tons of massage places, some of which I suppose are whorehouses, though I didn't try to find out. The girls who stood out front trying to get my business were good looking, at least.

OTOH I changed planes in Tokyo on the way there and that place had plenty of hot Japanese chicks. :tard:

In general I've heard that people who have the choice between SG and HK choose HK. However, the pics I've seen of HK make it look like a concrete jungle hellhole to me, so YMMV. I've also heard that really the only things to do in SG are eat and shop (and you can certainly do that, I've never seen such a consumer paradise in my life).
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KM.as.a.dot said:No shit. I bid $6000 SGD for a new 1100 ft 2 bedroom in Robertson Quay and got laughed out of the room.

So much for tax arbitrage, you pay it all back in rent. My life is going to be more expensive here than it was in Tokyo.



Most expats have their housing paid for by the employer.

You got a raw deal.
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KM.as.a.dot said:No shit. I bid $6000 SGD for a new 1100 ft 2 bedroom in Robertson Quay and got laughed out of the room.

So much for tax arbitrage, you pay it all back in rent. My life is going to be more expensive here than it was in Tokyo.



I definitely liked what I saw of Tokyo, my next Asian vacation will likely be there. Though I'd hesitate to move there for fear of being irradiated :frown:
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. said:the only things to do in SG are eat and shop..



Besides snorting drugs, what can you do in other cities that you can't do in Singapore?
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. said:Most expats have their housing paid for by the employer.

You got a raw deal.



I wonder if the smart thing to do might be to (1) start your own business, (2) move to SG but keep your citizenship, so you don't have to pay US taxes on the first ~$95K of income, and (3) have the business pay your housing costs so you can deduct them from what US taxes you do pay.
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. said:the only things to do in SG are eat and shop..



Besides snorting drugs, what can you do in other cities that you can't do in Singapore?



Good point, what do most Americans do besides eat, shop, and watch TV anyway. In my case I just waste all day on FC :lol:
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. said:Most expats have their housing paid for by the employer.

You got a raw deal.



This isn't 2007. Whatever your employer pays for you is coming out of your paycheck or bonus somehow so it makes no difference.

They gave me a base pay increase to come here because of the scandals surrounding bonuses at the banks. Im not gonna just throw that away (which is what renting is).
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. said:the pics I've seen of HK make it look like a concrete jungle hellhole to me



The air pollution in HK has gotten really bad in the past 10 years, because all the factory smoke coming from China (Pearl River Delta area).

As a result, on some days, you can't even see across the bay between HK & Kowloon.

The HK smog has ruined one of the few redeeming qualities HK had.. a nice waterfront view from Tsim Sha Tsui of the HK skyline.

http://tx.english-ch.com/teacher/jasper/HK.jpeg

The water pollution in HK is also bad. It's one of the few 1st world cities I've been to where you can't drink the tap water.

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. said:http://www.heritage.org/index/country/singapore

"The foundations of economic freedom in Singapore are firmly sustained with strong protection of property rights and effective enforcement of anti-corruption laws. The government is very efficient, with competitive tax rates and low government expenditures."

And then there's the US...

"The United States economic freedom score of 76.3 drops it to 10th place in the 2012 Index. Its score is 1.5 points lower than last year, reflecting deteriorating scores for government spending, freedom from corruption, and investment freedom.

Although the foundations of economic freedom remain strong, recent government interventions have eroded limits on government, and public spending by all levels of government now exceeds one-third of total domestic output. The regulatory burden on business continues to increase rapidly, and heightened uncertainty further increases regulations negative impact. Fading confidence in the governments determination to promote or even sustain open markets has discouraged entrepreneurship and dynamic investment within the private sector.

Under Democratic President Barack Obama, the federal system of government, designed to reserve significant powers to the state and local levels, has been strained by the national governments rapid expansion. Spending at the national level rose to over 25 percent of GDP in 2010, and gross public debt surpassed 100 percent of GDP in 2011. A 2010 health care bill that greatly expanded the central governments reach has been under challenge in the courts, and the DoddFrank financial overhaul bill has roiled credit markets."

Good night, and good bye :lol:



Any idea what the ranking was pre-Obama?
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. said:Singapore is barbaric; do you know you can not get a media or gender studies degree there? All their courses are engineering or science
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Probably the most accurate post so far.
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. said:So, there are no slums in Singapore? :laugh:



SINGAPORE is the only city in the world without slums, a new report by the United Nations Habitat has found.

The director of UN Habitat's monitoring and research division said the achievement was one that should be studied and, if possible, replicated in other cities.

'There is about 6 per cent slums in more developed countries, so to have zero incidence is an achievement worth celebrating,' said Professor Banji Oyeyinka.

http://news.asiaone.com/News/the%2BStraits%2BTimes/Story/A1Story20081025-96178.html



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. said:Trees have always been solar powered!



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KM.as.a.dot said:This isn't 2007. Whatever your employer pays for you is coming out of your paycheck or bonus somehow so it makes no difference.

They gave me a base pay increase to come here because of the scandals surrounding bonuses at the banks. Im not gonna just throw that away (which is what renting is).



Passports N Suitcases just owned you, bitch.
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. said:Top 10 Countries

1 Hong Kong 89.9 0.2
2 Singapore 87.5 0.3
3 Australia 83.1 0.6
4 New Zealand 82.1 -0.2
5 Switzerland 81.1 -0.8
6 Canada 79.9 -0.9
7 Chile 78.3 0.9
8 Mauritius 77.0 0.8
9 Ireland 76.9 -1.8
10 United States 76.3 -1.5

The US now ranks below some country called Mauritius, for fuck's sake. :lol:



Strangely the first nine all have socialized medicine.



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They'd be better off getting rid of that and other market distortions, but no one's perfect.



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. said:Any idea what the ranking was pre-Obama?



It's been slipping for years under both Obongo and Smirk. After all, with Smirk, there was the whole crash of 2008 and Hank Paulson's "we have dynamite strapped on and the world is going to end unless you give us 700 billion" act, which I'm sure didn't help the ranking any.
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. said:It's been slipping for years under both Obongo and Smirk. After all, with Smirk, there was the whole crash of 2008 and Hank Paulson's "we have dynamite strapped on and the world is going to end unless you give us 700 billion" act, which I'm sure didn't help the ranking any.



Thanks.
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They have a chart but it only goes back to 2008. I'd be shocked if it wasn't already declining before that however.

http://www.heritage.org/index/images/charts-combined/2012/unitedstates.jpg

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I get the impression you can do virtually anything you want in Singapore as long as it's behind closed doors. It's one of the best whoring destinations in the first world.

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